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Trang Oul: /* Pages for unique and set items */ reply

2026-02-22T11:56:19Z

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Onderduiker: /* Pages for unique and set items */ Reply

2026-02-22T11:16:06Z

Pages for unique and set items: Reply

Trang Oul: /* Pages for unique and set items */ new section

2026-02-21T22:34:32Z

Pages for unique and set items: new section

Onderduiker: /* Death_(Basic)#Equipped_items */ Belated reply

2025-02-12T20:45:13Z

Death_(Basic)#Equipped_items: Belated reply

Naturelover: /* Death_(Basic)#Equipped_items */

2025-02-08T15:31:01Z

Death_(Basic)#Equipped_items

Onderduiker: /* Death_(Basic)#Equipped_items */ Reply

2025-02-03T22:22:41Z

Death_(Basic)#Equipped_items: Reply

Naturelover: /* Forgot */

2025-02-02T15:58:13Z

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Onderduiker: /* Damage Reduced vs. C/F/L absorb */ Reply

2024-10-19T13:40:42Z

Damage Reduced vs. C/F/L absorb: Reply

Onderduiker: /* Maximum All Resist */ Reply

2024-10-19T13:33:49Z

Maximum All Resist: Reply

Naturelover: /* Damage Reduced vs. C/F/L absorb */

2024-10-18T17:03:18Z

Damage Reduced vs. C/F/L absorb

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	: With hindsight, I wouldn't have created individual Set and Unique item pages, except as redirects, and I've have created, or not added content to, far fewer pages in general (for example, 21 (now 24) skill ''tree'' pages, but not 210 (now 240) skill pages: for some idea of how this might have worked in practice, see StrategyWiki's [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Diablo_II/Combat_Masteries Combat Masteries] page). However, it would be much too much work to do that here retroactively, or start from scratch elsewhere. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 06:16, 22 February 2026 (EST)		: With hindsight, I wouldn't have created individual Set and Unique item pages, except as redirects, and I've have created, or not added content to, far fewer pages in general (for example, 21 (now 24) skill ''tree'' pages, but not 210 (now 240) skill pages: for some idea of how this might have worked in practice, see StrategyWiki's [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Diablo_II/Combat_Masteries Combat Masteries] page). However, it would be much too much work to do that here retroactively, or start from scratch elsewhere. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 06:16, 22 February 2026 (EST)
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		+	:: Having a single page for all unique items of a single item type (with separate linkable sections for each) makes sense, so does making one for each set (because you want to see all its pieces and bonuses together). After all, the items are just "stat sticks", so listing all the bonuses is all we need. OK, then, I'll move unique grimoires (and other new items) to a single page.
		+	:: But I wouldn't put multiple skills on the same page. Combat masteries are a bad example, because they are passive and only add some stats. Other skills, such as [[Shadow Master]], are more complex, so the pages are significantly longer. Not to mention screenshots and item sources (I love AB for this!). One could argue that such details could be collapsed by default, but still I think it'd be too much clutter. [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 06:56, 22 February 2026 (EST)

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	And how were navigation templates, like [[Template:Unique sword nav]], supposed to look? The higher one, [[Template:Unique item nav]], lists item types, so were "Unique [item type] navs" supposed to have a list of items in the nav panel, like [[Template:Set nav]]?<br/>		And how were navigation templates, like [[Template:Unique sword nav]], supposed to look? The higher one, [[Template:Unique item nav]], lists item types, so were "Unique [item type] navs" supposed to have a list of items in the nav panel, like [[Template:Set nav]]?<br/>
	I took the liberty of making a page for [[Unique grimoire]]s (it's an entirely new item type, so we cannot rely on AS) with a list of unique items. I also created pages for individual grimoires, with [[Template:Unique item nav]] on them, because I'm not sure how [[Template:Unique grimoire nav]] should look like. Are you okay with this approach, or would you like to have it organized somehow else (if so, how?)? [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 17:34, 21 February 2026 (EST)		I took the liberty of making a page for [[Unique grimoire]]s (it's an entirely new item type, so we cannot rely on AS) with a list of unique items. I also created pages for individual grimoires, with [[Template:Unique item nav]] on them, because I'm not sure how [[Template:Unique grimoire nav]] should look like. Are you okay with this approach, or would you like to have it organized somehow else (if so, how?)? [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 17:34, 21 February 2026 (EST)
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		+	: The last revision of Template:Unique sword nav (16 October 2011) before it was deleted (16 August 2012):
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		+	<pre><noinclude>
		+	[[Category:Templates (Diablo II)]]
		+	[[Category:Templates (Navigation)]]
		+	[[Category:Templates (Unique item)]]
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		+
		+	</noinclude>{{Unique item nav\|Sword=}}
		+	{\|cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width=100% style="background:lightgray"
		+	\|
		+	{\|cellpadding=3 cellspacing=0 style="background:lightgray; text-align:left; font-size:90%"
		+	\|-
		+	\|width=60\|1H Sword
		+	\|width=82\|[[Rixot's Keen]]
		+	\|width=82\|[[Blood Crescent\|Crescent]]
		+	\|width=82\|[[Skewer of Krintiz\|Skewer Krintiz]]
		+	\|width=82\|[[Gleamscythe]]
		+	\|width=82\|[[Griswold's Edge\|Griswold]]
		+	\|width=82\|[[Hellplague]]
		+	\|width=82\|[[Culwen's Point]]
		+	\|
		+	\|-
		+	\|Exceptional
		+	\|[[Bloodletter]]
		+	\|[[Coldsteel Eye]]
		+	\|[[Hexfire]]
		+	\|[[Blade of Ali Baba\|Blade Ali Baba]]
		+	\|[[Ginther's Rift]]
		+	\|[[Headstriker]]
		+	\|[[Plague Bearer]]
		+	\|[[The Atlantean]]
		+	\|-
		+	\|Elite
		+	\|[[Djinn Slayer]]
		+	\|[[Bloodmoon]]
		+	\|[[Lightsabre]]
		+	\|[[Azurewrath]]
		+	\|[[Frostwind]]
		+	\|-
		+	\|2H Sword
		+	\|[[Shadowfang]]
		+	\|[[Soulflay]]
		+	\|[[Kinemil's Awl]]
		+	\|[[Blacktongue]]
		+	\|[[Ripsaw]]
		+	\|[[The Patriarch]]
		+	\|-
		+	\|Exceptional
		+	\|[[Crainte Vomir]]
		+	\|[[Bing Sz Wang]]
		+	\|[[The Vile Husk]]
		+	\|[[Cloudcrack]]
		+	\|[[Todesfaelle Flamme\|Todesfaelle]]
		+	\|[[Swordguard]]
		+	\|-
		+	\|Elite
		+	\|[[Flamebellow]]
		+	\|[[Doombringer]]
		+	\|[[The Grandfather\|Grandfather]]
		+	\|}
		+	\|}
		+	*Adeyke, [http://www.theamazonbasin.com/d2/resources/d2weapons.html Weapon Upgrade Damage Calculator]
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		+
		+	[[Category:Swords]]
		+	[[Category:Unique swords]]</pre>
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		+	: As you can see, it was basically [[Template:Unique item nav]] with a list of all Unique swords and a few categories added to it. For the reasons you've stated, it was deleted and individual pages for each Set and Unique item became redirects to sections of Set and Unique item type pages for ease of linkage throughout our wiki, before I'd given any real thought to what those pages would otherwise contain (beyond replicating the Arreat Summit).
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		+	: So individual Unique items would have been listed in sections of their Unique item type pages, and working with what we already have I'd move content from the pages for individual Unique grimoire pages to sections of the Unique grimoire page, and make those pages redirects to those sections. There'd be no need for a Unique grimoire nav template.
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		+	: With hindsight, I wouldn't have created individual Set and Unique item pages, except as redirects, and I've have created, or not added content to, far fewer pages in general (for example, 21 (now 24) skill ''tree'' pages, but not 210 (now 240) skill pages: for some idea of how this might have worked in practice, see StrategyWiki's [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Diablo_II/Combat_Masteries Combat Masteries] page). However, it would be much too much work to do that here retroactively, or start from scratch elsewhere. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 06:16, 22 February 2026 (EST)

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	::: Thanks for testing! Our wiki can always be viewed so I first saw this a few days ago, but as far as I know I wasn't able to log in and reply until now. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2025 (EST)		::: Thanks for testing! Our wiki can always be viewed so I first saw this a few days ago, but as far as I know I wasn't able to log in and reply until now. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2025 (EST)
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		+	== Pages for unique and set items ==
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		+	Hey Onderduiker!
		+	Long time ago you started creating pages for unique and set items ([https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rixot%27s_Keen&action=history example]), but ultimately you've created redirects to the "Unique [item type]" pages, with links to the Arreat Summit only. This approach made sense then, because we had (and still have) such an excellent source, so there was no need to duplicate all that information.<br/>
		+	But now times have changed. AS has not been updated to D2R, and the only official sources are patch notes, which are often incomplete. We didn't even get proper patch notes for RotW, full expansion. So, to cover the new D2R additions, I started creating pages for new items.<br/>
		+	What was your original plan? How the item pages were supposed to look? A "plain" list of properties (with links), like [[Ars Al'Diabolos]]? Something more complex and better structured, like RW pages?<br/>
		+	And how were navigation templates, like [[Template:Unique sword nav]], supposed to look? The higher one, [[Template:Unique item nav]], lists item types, so were "Unique [item type] navs" supposed to have a list of items in the nav panel, like [[Template:Set nav]]?<br/>
		+	I took the liberty of making a page for [[Unique grimoire]]s (it's an entirely new item type, so we cannot rely on AS) with a list of unique items. I also created pages for individual grimoires, with [[Template:Unique item nav]] on them, because I'm not sure how [[Template:Unique grimoire nav]] should look like. Are you okay with this approach, or would you like to have it organized somehow else (if so, how?)? [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 17:34, 21 February 2026 (EST)

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	::Exited game, created new one. One corpse on ground, picked it up and the blue item was retrieved.		::Exited game, created new one. One corpse on ground, picked it up and the blue item was retrieved.
	::Coulda tested it myself before pestering you. But I bet you enjoyed our conversation. ;) [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 10:31, 8 February 2025 (EST)		::Coulda tested it myself before pestering you. But I bet you enjoyed our conversation. ;) [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 10:31, 8 February 2025 (EST)
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		+	::: Thanks for testing! Our wiki can always be viewed so I first saw this a few days ago, but as far as I know I wasn't able to log in and reply until now. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2025 (EST)

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	: That information seems to come from the Arreat Summit's [http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/basics/characters.shtml Character Information] page, linked in the Reference section, but the lack of an individual reference suggests it's not been verified, which means it could be outdated or untrue (for either Diablo II or Lord of Destruction, or both). It makes more sense to me that gold value isn't taken into account, but I cannot confirm that and it wouldn't be the first time something's made more complicated than necessary. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 17:22, 3 February 2025 (EST)		: That information seems to come from the Arreat Summit's [http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/basics/characters.shtml Character Information] page, linked in the Reference section, but the lack of an individual reference suggests it's not been verified, which means it could be outdated or untrue (for either Diablo II or Lord of Destruction, or both). It makes more sense to me that gold value isn't taken into account, but I cannot confirm that and it wouldn't be the first time something's made more complicated than necessary. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 17:22, 3 February 2025 (EST)
		+	::In case you're interested, I tested it. Created new char, bought a blue weapon for 200 gold, a white weapon for 40 gold. Equipped the blue one. Got myself killed.
		+	::Equipped the white one, returned to my point of death without picking up corpse. Died again.
		+	::Returned to my two corpses with nothing equipped. Died third time.
		+	::Exited game, created new one. One corpse on ground, picked it up and the blue item was retrieved.
		+	::Coulda tested it myself before pestering you. But I bet you enjoyed our conversation. ;) [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 10:31, 8 February 2025 (EST)

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	For D2R I need to check out out. I was under the impression that only the last time counts (as well). [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 10:58, 2 February 2025 (EST)		For D2R I need to check out out. I was under the impression that only the last time counts (as well). [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 10:58, 2 February 2025 (EST)
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		+	: That information seems to come from the Arreat Summit's [http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/basics/characters.shtml Character Information] page, linked in the Reference section, but the lack of an individual reference suggests it's not been verified, which means it could be outdated or untrue (for either Diablo II or Lord of Destruction, or both). It makes more sense to me that gold value isn't taken into account, but I cannot confirm that and it wouldn't be the first time something's made more complicated than necessary. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 17:22, 3 February 2025 (EST)

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	== Forgot ==		== Forgot ==
	I also responded here: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Amazon_attack_speed&curid=16017&diff=67298&oldid=67297		I also responded here: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Amazon_attack_speed&curid=16017&diff=67298&oldid=67297
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		+	== [[Death_(Basic)#Equipped_items]] ==
		+	If a character dies multiple times without recovering corpse, another corpse is created each time with any equipped items added since the previous death, and gold and experience are lost each time. A character can have up to sixteen corpses, after which any equipped items are dropped as well. After saving, exiting and rejoining or starting a new game, the only corpse at the starting point in town will be that whose equipped items had the most gold value: all other corpses will disappear, but any equipped items are dropped where they laid.
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		+	Is this really how it worked/works in LoD? I thought only the last time you wore items are kept in your corpse when exiting and gold value played/plays no role.
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		+	For D2R I need to check out out. I was under the impression that only the last time counts (as well). [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 10:58, 2 February 2025 (EST)

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 Could you clarify please? Thank you, [[User:Naturelover|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover|talk]]) 13:01, 18 October 2024 (EDT)
 == Forgot ==
 I also responded here: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Amazon_attack_speed&curid=16017&diff=67298&oldid=67297

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	Thanks, [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 13:01, 18 October 2024 (EDT)		Thanks, [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 13:01, 18 October 2024 (EDT)
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		+	: Maximum Resist values are listed separately, both in item descriptions and files, but when all four are added then this has been changed to Maximum All Resist for convenience (the same should be true for skills: even when the description is All Resistances, in <code>skills.txt</code> the four resistances are listed separately). I have no objection to them being listed separately, but they should also remain on the Maximum All Resist page. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 09:33, 19 October 2024 (EDT)

	== [[Damage Reduced]] vs. C/F/L absorb==		== [[Damage Reduced]] vs. C/F/L absorb==

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	Could you clarify please? Thank you, [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 13:01, 18 October 2024 (EDT)		Could you clarify please? Thank you, [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 13:01, 18 October 2024 (EDT)
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		+	== Forgot ==
		+	I also responded here: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Amazon_attack_speed&curid=16017&diff=67298&oldid=67297